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In defence of Barry Tannenbaum
Sunday, June 14, 2009
[ Reads:1949 / Comments:9 / 166 ] Isn’t it amazing how people who scam others have fabulously fitting names? Bernard Madoff “made off” with billions of dollars of other people’s money. Now we have an apparent Ponzi scheme of our own operated by a man called Tannenbaum, the German name for a Christmas tree. Well I fear there won’t be many presents under the tree this year children. Even Sir Fred (the shred) Goodwin had an appropriate surname for a man who sunk a bank and collected a fortune of shareholder’s money in return. How bad losses can lead to good wins.
The details of the local Ponzi scheme are still a little sketchy at the moment and Barry Tannenbaum has assured members of the media that this is not a Ponzi scheme but simply a case of cash flow problems. In the circumstances you wouldn’t expect him to say otherwise would you? However, in essence is what Barry Tannenbaum did any different from what the global banking system did over the past ten years? Why is toxic debt so different from a Ponzi scheme? The principle behind a Ponzi scheme has been well explained by my learned friend Traps. It’s simplicity itself. Since most people are greedy it isn’t difficult to sell the idea of a spectacularly high return on investment in principle. The problem is that people with money are not usually stupid so the important thing with a Ponzi scheme is to come up with something so complex that it is believable. If you can do that then people’s greed generally wins over intelligence and this is clearly what we have here. If two smart lawyers with flashy lifestyles offer you a chance to join the same exclusive club as them and earn handsome returns on your cash why would you leave your money in the equity market? What you don’t know is that the two smart lawyers are collecting a handsome commission for any cash introduced so their wealth creation is risk free. The desire to be, as Bryan Ferry once sang, “in with the in crowd” also plays a part here because there’s a snob appeal to being part of an exclusive investment club……until the whole thing is revealed as a fraud that is. So all a Ponzi scheme needs to succeed is more and more suckers. My late father taught me at an early age about the “greater fool liquidity theory” and it has stood me in good stead throughout my life. The theory simply states that anything has a higher value until you find that nobody wants to buy it. An example….if you buy a house for R5 million it’s a great deal providing you can find a greater fool to buy it for R6 mln. If you can’t then you are the greater fool and it’s game over. So back to toxic debt. Over the past few years some of the world’s biggest names in banking have been packaging all sorts of rubbish together and selling it to investors. It’s a process known as securitization and let’s not bother about the various names of the financial instruments traded, let’s just look at the principle. The entire global banking system decided to take a one way bet on the most illiquid market in the world, property. Providing property prices continued rising everything would be OK. This was a fallacious argument in itself because if property prices rose and everyone became a seller then property prices would have fallen anyway. However this piece of common sense didn’t occur to the finest brains to have come out of the world’s greatest business schools. In a nutshell what happened was this. Money was lent to people who were already in debt, who didn’t have jobs, who had no hope or intention of repaying and this debt was collateralized and bundled into a pack with slightly better quality debt. It was then rated by the world’s greatest ratings agencies who pronounced it safe which meant that investment institutions could buy it for their clients. At every stage a large fee was taken by the way. When property prices fell and the world ran out of suckers nobody wanted to buy this rubbish and it soon earned the name “toxic debt”. The US government then pumped trillions of dollars into their banking system to pretend there wasn’t a problem while places like Iceland went bust. It was no different to a Ponzi scheme. If there had been more dupes around the whole smoke and mirrors world of collateral debt would have continued. The net result thus far of all this is that some big global banks no longer exist, some are now owned by governments (taxpayer bailout in other words) and all have significantly less capital than they had three years ago. World equity markets have taken a pounding, there is economic gloom everywhere and jobs are being lost at an alarming rate. All because the Ponzi scheme of ever increasing property values came tumbling down when there weren’t enough suckers to go round. So perhaps Barry Tannenbaum needs a new fairy at the top of his Christmas tree. After all, what he did was to help spread the wealth around just like the world’s biggest banks. It isn't the role of the courts to protect people against their own stupidity so instead of pillorying Barry for his ingenious scheme perhaps we should be demanding he receive a government rescue package. That should go down well with COSATU.
184 Tebogo
[ Friday, June 19, 2009 | 5:48:34 PM ]
@ Blacklisted Dictator Sunday, June 14, 2009 at 11:37:13 AM
I was NOT even aware that this is a "WHITE" crime? If we all then agree that is a "WHITE" crime, the Ponzi, Fidentia and apartheid remain by far the worst scams in the history of our Republic? But I guess it OK because is whites, and they NEVER steal and fundamentally they NOT corrupt! Of course, PONZI remain a hottest topic in country NOW, thus Traps would write about it, WHY you reckon otherwise is because the likes of Barry are demonstrating the true nature of our former master when enough time was to be provided!
168 Toni Pozner
[ Wednesday, June 17, 2009 | 11:54:15 AM ]
Dugless,
Re : POZNI SCHEME. I await you cash. Please also persuade your "highly intelligent" friends to contribute more cash. If you drop round a billion rand I will give you 5 billion rands when South Africa win 2010. If they beat Brazil 6-0 in the final I will give you 20 billion rands, I promise. This is a fantastic deal especially when you consider that SA have just beaten NZ 2-0. And I will not even emigrate to OZ.
166 Doug from Holfontein
[ Wednesday, June 17, 2009 | 7:16:32 AM ]
Thanks, Toni Ponzi!
If I follow those directions in reverse I might arrive at your distinguished locality! Oh joy! Oh rapture! Hey, I may even drop a bag of the good stuff on your doorstep. 400% was it?
152 Toni Pozner
[ Tuesday, June 16, 2009 | 10:50:26 AM ]
Dugless,
You are obviously lost. Please return home asap. Here are some directions... Toni Pozner Monday, June 15, 2009 at 11:01:18 AM From Johannesburg to Holfontein • Follow the N12 freeway east through Benoni towards Witbank • Pass all Benoni / Putfontein off ramps • Pass Springs / Daveyton off ramp • Pass Etwatwa off ramp • Take ETWATWA / SPRINGS R555 OFF RAMP • Turn LEFT at the top of the off ramp • Continue for approximately 800 m and turn RIGHT at the brown face brick houses (Holftontein sign) • Continue on that road until the T-junction and turn RIGHT • Continue for approximately 2 km. Holfontein Landfill Facility will be on your left hand side • Enter through the second security gate where parking is available.
130 Doug from Holfontein
[ Monday, June 15, 2009 | 4:19:23 PM ]
"Pissed Off..." if you can't afford the due diligence, you can't afford the product. This applies to any, and all, transactions. Commoditised Debt Obligations included.
Interestingly the people that could afford due diligence were also "suckered" into this scheme. I say suckered in inverted commas because they were *not* suckered. We are viewing the Serebro's, the Summers's as the top of this pile. They are not. At the top you will find some more "interesting" names. All from a little rock, and some from the Xhosa Nostra. I am sorry you were a victim. But I am also sorry you were greedy enough and/or stupid enough to go in...
151 TonI Pozner
[ Monday, June 15, 2009 | 11:20:33 AM ]
DB, ( Dog's Bollocks?)
It seems that ypou are ambivalent about Ponzi schemes. They only offer 200%. But have you ever thought of investing in a Pozni scheme? I can promise you 400%. I know that these returns are not available even in Holfontein, but we are not talking rubbish. I only deal in the best financial instruments which aint at all grubby. If you drop your cash round in a big sack, I will make you even richer than Richmark. I promise.
120 Pissed Off Big Time
[ Monday, June 15, 2009 | 11:18:35 AM ]
Dave I agree with your take on toxic debt being analagous but this is Madoff time for us.
As one of the victims I must tell you that I'm fucking pissed off. Beddy is right it is not only the rich that got caught as I can confirm. This is going to wipe out many people and cost thousands of jobs.
116 Pastor Ray Mc Oily
[ Monday, June 15, 2009 | 8:08:45 AM ]
Spot on David!
108 Doug from Holfontein
[ Sunday, June 14, 2009 | 5:48:33 PM ]
If you want high return you have to absorb high risk. If you want 100% return you need to understand that you can lose all your money. If you sign up for 200%+ return you need to know you will lose all your money and SARS will come and look for more.
If you bought because "big players" were buying, you need to understand that you didn't deserve the money you had in the first place. These rules apply to rich and poor, if it was your first million or your last rand. This does not absolve the proported fraudulent activity, however. Fraud is fraud, and if provable should be acted upon. The institutionalised fraud that David points to is in no way different to this, except that it operated with the legislature. This does not make it less wrong, only less illegal.
106 Lyndall Beddy
[ Sunday, June 14, 2009 | 1:07:52 PM ]
The trouble is that it is not only the rich that get caught, it is also the desperate, especially the pensioner trying to live off interest on savings in a world where saving does not pay but borrowing does.
And the main reason for the gambling and the speculating is low inerest rates not protecting savings against inflation. The Japanese were the best savers in the world until the baby boomers came to retirement and could not afford to retire, so the whole nation started to buy shares and not put money in the bank and household debt grew in excess of income. |
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