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ANC won’t begrudge their song bird, 'Juju'
Thursday, March 11, 2010 | Comments: 6
by Sthembile Shelembe ;
ANC spokesman Jackson Mthembu says he will not blame Julius Malema for singing the song "Dubula amabhunu baya raypha" which is Zulu for 'Shoot the boers, they are rapists."
Mthembu suggests that if this incident is to be scrutinised and critised then songs that were sung by the forces of oppression must also be looked at.
Malema is currently facing a criminal charge which was laid against him by Freedom Front Plus leader and Deputy Agriculture Minister Pieter Mulder, saying that the use of the slogan contravened section 16 of the Constitution which states that no person may advocate hate which is based on the grounds of race, ethnicity, gender or religion and which incites action to cause harm to others.
The African National Congress Youth League leader is reported to have told students at the university of Johannesburg that former president Nelson Mandela had convinced blacks to forgive, but they should never forget what was done to them.
AfriForum Youth chairman Ernst Roets said the organisation would submit a complaint to the Equality Court in Johannesburg.
Roets said this was not the only incident in which Malema sang the song reminiscent of the late Peter Mokaba, a former ANC Youth League leader known for chanting the slogan, "kill the boer, kill the farmer" during the struggle against apartheid. The same slogan was defined as hate speech by the Human Rights Commission in 2007.
Roets said Malema sang the song at his birthday celebrations in Polokwane last week as well and it would be helpful to remember that this is the same province where six farmers were murdered in the past month.
Mthembu says the song Malema sang was not meant to attack farmers.
He told Sapa that it is a song about black people who were cowards and that it is meant for those who are against transformation, those who are saying this ANC regime is against the 'blanke volk' ,the white nation.
“You must blame the ANC, don't blame Julius. But when you blame the ANC, then contextualise it." said Mthembu before saying that Julius did not even know the writer of the song as it was composed even before he was born.
ANC spokesman Jackson Mthembu says he will not blame Julius Malema for singing the song "Dubula amabhunu baya raypha" which is Zulu for 'Shoot the boers, they are rapists."
Mthembu suggests that if this incident is to be scrutinised and critised then songs that were sung by the forces of oppression must also be looked at.
Malema is currently facing a criminal charge which was laid against him by Freedom Front Plus leader and Deputy Agriculture Minister Pieter Mulder, saying that the use of the slogan contravened section 16 of the Constitution which states that no person may advocate hate which is based on the grounds of race, ethnicity, gender or religion and which incites action to cause harm to others.
The African National Congress Youth League leader is reported to have told students at the university of Johannesburg that former president Nelson Mandela had convinced blacks to forgive, but they should never forget what was done to them.
AfriForum Youth chairman Ernst Roets said the organisation would submit a complaint to the Equality Court in Johannesburg.
Roets said this was not the only incident in which Malema sang the song reminiscent of the late Peter Mokaba, a former ANC Youth League leader known for chanting the slogan, "kill the boer, kill the farmer" during the struggle against apartheid. The same slogan was defined as hate speech by the Human Rights Commission in 2007.
Roets said Malema sang the song at his birthday celebrations in Polokwane last week as well and it would be helpful to remember that this is the same province where six farmers were murdered in the past month.
Mthembu says the song Malema sang was not meant to attack farmers.
He told Sapa that it is a song about black people who were cowards and that it is meant for those who are against transformation, those who are saying this ANC regime is against the 'blanke volk' ,the white nation.
“You must blame the ANC, don't blame Julius. But when you blame the ANC, then contextualise it." said Mthembu before saying that Julius did not even know the writer of the song as it was composed even before he was born.
1657 Lyndall Beddy
[ Friday, March 12, 2010 | 2:44:14 AM ]
Sthembile
What do you think the motive was for the SA attack at Cuito?
The ANC makes out it was to colonise and take over Angola. Everyone involved, including Angolans and Russians, know it was not. How could they have justified it to us at home? They did not even tell us they were in Angola till they were home again.
The motive was to stop the communists (and they WERE communists) from wiping out the opposition and invading SA.
And the settlement was exactly what SA wanted - the Russians and Cubans got out, and so did SA, and left the Angolan people to fight it out.
SA no more were interested in humiliating Cubans, than they cared about humiliating Lesotho during the Pope's visit.
But Castro was furious - and executed his general in charge.
What do you think the motive was for the SA attack at Cuito?
The ANC makes out it was to colonise and take over Angola. Everyone involved, including Angolans and Russians, know it was not. How could they have justified it to us at home? They did not even tell us they were in Angola till they were home again.
The motive was to stop the communists (and they WERE communists) from wiping out the opposition and invading SA.
And the settlement was exactly what SA wanted - the Russians and Cubans got out, and so did SA, and left the Angolan people to fight it out.
SA no more were interested in humiliating Cubans, than they cared about humiliating Lesotho during the Pope's visit.
But Castro was furious - and executed his general in charge.
1653 Sthembile Shelembe
[ Friday, March 12, 2010 | 12:11:09 AM ]
Lyndall
I cannot even imagine why Jackson Mthembu was mentioning the " songs of the oppressor" its not like they sang them lastweek. we need to let go of the past.
As for crude vs not crude, all I'm saying is the whites during apartheid didn not need songs to be crude, everything that the blacks were subjected to was crude, to put it mildly!
on your second comment, Who is "They?" The blacks?
In 1988 the Angolan Minister of Defence and other official Angolan and Cuban sources claimed that a South African offensive consisting of up to 9,000 troops with 500 tanks, 600 artillery field guns and scores of aircraft had attacked the town of Cuito Cuanavale in Angola. According to their version the attack had failed thanks to a valiant defense effort by Cuban and Angolan troops, and the South Africans had lost 50 aircraft, 47 tanks and hundreds of men.
The Cuban propaganda version of this "heroic battle" was widely believed in the west, and it was not until after the war had ended that the facts emerged. By the end of 1987, when the Cubans and Angolans were supposed to have achieved their great victory, they were already suing for peace in Angola, with their Soviet backers openly stating that the war there could not be won. In the negotiations that followed, one of the conditions of the Cubans was that they be allowed to make an honourable withdrawal from the war, an unusual demand to be made by a victorious army, to say the least.
The fact is, the Cubans knew that they were losing but did not want to withdraw from Angola in disgrace. The South Africans, who had been the real victors in the Cuito campaign, realised that making the full facts known at that delicate stage in the peace negotiations would humiliate the Cubans and their Soviet backers and perhaps spur them into sending yet more troops to Angola in an effort to save their reputation.
Making the Cubans look ridiculous would serve no useful purpose.
I cannot even imagine why Jackson Mthembu was mentioning the " songs of the oppressor" its not like they sang them lastweek. we need to let go of the past.
As for crude vs not crude, all I'm saying is the whites during apartheid didn not need songs to be crude, everything that the blacks were subjected to was crude, to put it mildly!
on your second comment, Who is "They?" The blacks?
In 1988 the Angolan Minister of Defence and other official Angolan and Cuban sources claimed that a South African offensive consisting of up to 9,000 troops with 500 tanks, 600 artillery field guns and scores of aircraft had attacked the town of Cuito Cuanavale in Angola. According to their version the attack had failed thanks to a valiant defense effort by Cuban and Angolan troops, and the South Africans had lost 50 aircraft, 47 tanks and hundreds of men.
The Cuban propaganda version of this "heroic battle" was widely believed in the west, and it was not until after the war had ended that the facts emerged. By the end of 1987, when the Cubans and Angolans were supposed to have achieved their great victory, they were already suing for peace in Angola, with their Soviet backers openly stating that the war there could not be won. In the negotiations that followed, one of the conditions of the Cubans was that they be allowed to make an honourable withdrawal from the war, an unusual demand to be made by a victorious army, to say the least.
The fact is, the Cubans knew that they were losing but did not want to withdraw from Angola in disgrace. The South Africans, who had been the real victors in the Cuito campaign, realised that making the full facts known at that delicate stage in the peace negotiations would humiliate the Cubans and their Soviet backers and perhaps spur them into sending yet more troops to Angola in an effort to save their reputation.
Making the Cubans look ridiculous would serve no useful purpose.
1652 Sthembile Shelembe
[ Thursday, March 11, 2010 | 11:47:07 PM ]
He definately could have been drunk when he said that Jan, I do not know what the hell is going on with the ANC, They keep digging this hole for themselves and this country at large!
1651 Lyndall Beddy
[ Thursday, March 11, 2010 | 9:24:19 PM ]
Stupid question - who sings songs in a war? You would give your position away and get killed.
If they sung this at Cuito it is not surpring they lost.
And I don't know any other battle they claim to have been at.
If they sung this at Cuito it is not surpring they lost.
And I don't know any other battle they claim to have been at.
1649 Lyndall Beddy
[ Thursday, March 11, 2010 | 9:09:37 PM ]
Does anyone know what songs, if any, the SADF sung? I doubt they were that crude.
1648 Jan Vorster
[ Thursday, March 11, 2010 | 9:01:50 PM ]
When did this spokesperson say this - whilst he was taken into police custody for being over the legal alcohol limit as reported in the media ?
Somehow it seems that everybody in the ANC is making their own lifes very complicated for themselsves recently !!
Somehow it seems that everybody in the ANC is making their own lifes very complicated for themselsves recently !!
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